At the end of the war, Stangl managed to conceal his
identity and, although imprisoned in 1945,
he was released two years later. He escaped to Italy
with his colleague from Sobibór, Gustav Wagner, where he was
helped by some officials of the Vatican to reach Syria
on a Red Cross passport. Stangl was joined by his wife and family and
lived in Syria for three years before moving to Brazil
in 1951. With the help of friends, Stangl found work at the Volkswagen
plant in Sao Paulo, still using his own name.
For years his responsibility in the mass murder of
men, women and children had been known to the Austrian authorities,
but Austria did not issue a warrant for Stangl's arrest until 1961.
It took another six years before he was tracked down by Nazi hunter
Simon Wiesenthal and
arrested in Brazil.
After extradition to West Germany, he was tried for
the deaths of approximately 900,000 people. He admitted to these killings
but argued: "My conscience is clear. I was simply doing my duty
...". Found guilty on October 22, 1970, Stangl was sentenced to
life imprisonment. He died of heart failure in Düsseldorf prison
on June 28, 1971.
Franz Stangl was interviewed by the author Gitta Sereny
in 1970 and his comments later appeared in the book Into That Darkness:
An Examination of Conscience (1983):
"Would it be true to say that you got used to
He thought for a moment. "To tell the truth,"
be then said, slowly and thoughtfully, "one did become used to
"In days? Weeks? Months?"
"Months. It was months before I could look one
of them in the eye. I repressed it all by trying to create a special
place: gardens, new barracks, new kitchens, new everything; barbers,
tailors, shoemakers, carpenters. There were hundreds of ways to take
one's mind off it; I used them all."
"Even so, if you felt that strongly, there had
to be times, perhaps at night, in the dark, when you couldn't avoid
thinking about it?"
"In the end, the only way to deal with it was
to drink. I took a large glass of brandy to bed with me each night
and I drank."
"I think you are evading my question."
"No, I don't mean to; of course, thoughts came.
But I forced them away. I made myself concentrate on work, work and
"Would it be true to say that you finally felt
they weren't really human beings?"
"When I was on a trip once, years later in Brazil,"
be said, his face deeply concentrated, and obviously reliving the
experience, "my train stopped next to a slaughterhouse. The cattle
in the pens hearing the noise of the train, trotted up to the fence
and stared at the train. They were very close to my window, one crowding
the other, looking at me through that fence. I thought then, 'Look
at this, this reminds me of Poland; that's just how the people looked,
trustingly, just before they went into the tins..."'
"You said tins," I interrupted. "What
do you mean?" But he went on without hearing or answering me.
"... I couldn't eat tinned meat after that.
Those big eyes which looked at me not knowing that in no time at all
they'd all be dead." He paused. His face was drawn. At this moment
he looked old and worn and real.
"So you didn't feel they were human beings?"
"Cargo," he said tonelessly. "They
were cargo." He raised and dropped his hand in a gesture of despair.
Both our voices had dropped. It was one of the few times in those
weeks of talks that he made no effort to cloak his despair, and his
hopeless grief allowed a moment of sympathy.
"When do you think you began to think of them
as cargo? The way you spoke earlier, of the day when you first came
to Treblinka, the horror you felt seeing the dead bodies everywhere
- they weren't 'cargo' to you then, were they?"
"I think it started the day I first saw the
Totenlager in Treblinka. I remember Wirth standing there, next to
the pits full of blue-black corpses. It had nothing to do with humanity,
it couldn't have; it was a mass - a mass of rotting flesh. Wirth said,
'What shall we do with this garbage?' I think unconsciously that started
me thinking of them as cargo."
"There were so many children, did they ever
make you think of your children, of how you would feel in the position
of those parents?"
"No," he said slowly, "I can't say
I ever thought that way." He paused. "You see," he
then continued, still speaking with this extreme seriousness and obviously
intent on finding a new truth within himself, "I rarely saw them
as individuals. It was always a huge mass. I sometimes stood on the
wall and saw them in the tube. Bu t- how can I explain it - they were
naked, packed together, running, being driven with whips like ..."
the sentence trailed off.
"Could you not have changed that?" I asked.
"In your position, could you not have stopped the nakedness,
the whips, the horror of the cattle pens?"
"No, no, no. This was the system. Wirth had
invented it. It worked and because it worked, it was irreversible."