Jerusalem and the Holy See
(1999)
Interview with His Excellency Archbishop Jean-Louis Tauran, foreign minister of the Vatican
State.
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| MEI: What are the Vatican's foremost
concerns--religious as well as political--vis-à-vis
the status of Jerusalem? |
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TAURAN: The
Holy See's immediate and practical concern
is with religious questions, while in
other matters--political, economic,
etc.--it is concerned inasmuch as they
have a moral dimension. While the Holy
See claims no competence to enter into
territorial disputes between nations,
on the contrary, it has the right and
the duty to remind the parties of the
obligation to resolve their controversies
peacefully, in accordance with the principles
of justice and equity, within the international
legal framework.
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| MEI: What are the primary considerations
in determining the Vatican's position
on Jerusalem? |
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TAURAN: Jerusalem, the
Holy City for the three monotheistic
religions, has a unique value not only
for the region but also for the entire
world. Thus, Jerusalem is and has to
be a universal symbol of fraternity
and peace.
This uniqueness has
to be preserved, and the Holy See has
the right and duty to show its interest
when the local situation leads to conflict,
injustice, human rights violations,
restrictions of religious freedom and
conscience, fear and personal insecurity.
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| MEI: How has the Vatican's position
on Jerusalem developed over the past 50
years? |
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TAURAN: In the
beginning, the Holy See supported the
proposal for internationalizing the
territory, the "corpus separatum"
called for by United Nations General
Assembly Resolution 181 of November
29, 1947.
In the years that
followed, although the objective of
internationalization was shown to be
unattainable, the Holy See continued
to call for the protection of the Holy
City's identity. It consistently drew
attention to the need for an international
commitment in this regard. To this end,
the Holy See has consistently called
for an international juridical instrument,
which is what is meant by the phrase
"an internationally guaranteed
special status."
At the present time,
while maintaining the request for a
special status internationally guaranteed,
emphasis moves to Jerusalem in a global
context and to the preservation of its
identity and vocation: the holy places,
the areas surrounding them, guarantees
for everybody of their own cultural
and religious identity, freedom of religion
and conscience for the inhabitants and
the pilgrims, and the broader cultural
dimension.
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| MEI: Does the Vatican distinguish
between the status of Jerusalem's holy
sites and the status of the rest of the
city? |
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TAURAN: Jerusalem,
the city where the three monotheistic
religions have their spiritual roots,
is also home to two peoples, Israelis
and Palestinians. As I said before,
the Holy See is not involved in knowing
if the city of Jerusalem has to be the
capital of one or two states. This question
will be discussed between Israelis and
Palestinians through bilateral negotiations.
The Holy See wants
to preserve the uniqueness of the most
sacred parts of the city, called holy
places, so that in the future neither
of the parties and none of the three
religions can claim them exclusively
for themselves, because they are part
of the patrimony which belongs to the
whole world.
Of course, the holy
places are not museums--monuments for
the tourists--they are places where
communities of believers live, with
their schools, their cultures, their
charitable institutions, etc., and they
have to be safeguarded in their sacrality
and permanence. The Holy See is convinced
that the uniqueness and sacredness of
the city can be preserved only by a
special status internationally guaranteed.
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| MEI: What is the nature of your
relationship with Jerusalem's mayor, Ehud
Olmert, and other Israeli leaders on the
question of Jerusalem? |
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TAURAN: The
Holy See, as the expression of the central
government of the Catholic Church, deals
with the government of Israel. As regards
the Mayor of Jerusalem, he has more
contacts with the religious leaders
of the local Catholic community. Having
said that, I remember having had breakfast
with Mr. Olmert in Jerusalem, in December
1995, when I paid an official visit
to Israel. Of course he is perfectly
aware of the Holy See's position concerning
the holy sites, as are the other Israeli
leaders.
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| MEI: What is the nature of your
relationship with Palestinian leaders
with respect to the Jerusalem issue? |
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TAURAN: The
position of the Holy See is well accepted
in the Arab world. By the contacts we
have, I can say that also Palestinian
leaders share such acceptance. Jerusalem
remains, as you know, a central issue
for the Palestinian people. And they
know that the formula proposed by the
Holy See is intended to avoid that,
in the future, the most sacred parts
of the city be claimed by one party
or one religion as its own, independently
of the political status of the whole
city.
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| MEI: Has any kind of public or
private dialogue been established between
the Vatican and Jewish and Islamic leaders
on the question of Jerusalem? |
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TAURAN: The
Holy See has always taken the opportunity
to explain to the religious leaders
as well as political leaders its position
about Jerusalem. I remember, for example,
a conversation I had, some years ago,
with His Majesty King Hassan of Morocco,
who is also president of the Al-Quds
Committee. I can say that His Majesty
fully shares our position on Jerusalem.
I was recently in Cairo and had an exhaustive
conversation on this topic with [Foreign
Minister Amr] Moussa, whose views coincide
perfectly with ours.
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| MEI: Are you optimistic or pessimistic
that the Jerusalem issue might be resolved
by the millennium and the anticipated
visit of His Holiness Pope John Paul II
to the Holy Land? |
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TAURAN: During
my last visit to Jerusalem, I had the
opportunity to express the Holy See's
satisfaction with the Wye Plantation
agreement, through which the peace process
has been put in motion once again. We
hope that the aspirations for dialogue
and peace will contribute to the implementation
of what has just been agreed upon.
For the Holy Father,
his pilgrimage to the Holy Land has
to be a sign of encounter between peoples.
If the peace process will go forward,
as we wish, I think that there will
be a greater possibility for a visit
of the Holy Father to the Holy Land.
But, for the time being, there are no
concrete plans for that [Ed: The Pope
has subsequently made plans to visit
Jerusalem early in the year 2000].
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Source: Tauran, J.L. 1999, Jerusalem and the Holy See: interview with HE Archbishop Tauran foreign minister of the Vatican state, Mid East Insight.
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